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Jade Constantine
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Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.22 22:27:00 -
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for heavens sake can somebody at ccp tell us this is a load of trolling nonsense please.
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Jade Constantine
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Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.23 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/06/2011 12:47:10
 Originally by: Verone
I look at the parts of Eve that I enjoy, and those that have an effect on what I enjoy. The rest is for other people to be concerned over.
Here is the problem Verone.
Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and ôgetö what makes Eve great û and thatÆs the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not ôget eveö does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.
Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:
1. The Captains Quarters û itÆs not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible û if you have a bad graphic card itÆs a jerk fest û if you have a decent graphics card itÆs heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQÆs turned on û I can run it smoothly û but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQÆs on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.
CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a ôdisembark shipö option to the UI but ôoh noö to do that would have meant we werenÆt being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if weÆre to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.
2. If you read the newsletter youÆll see reference to saved fitting slots û and I donÆt know about you Verone but in JF weÆve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the ôbiz-devsö talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such ôminor upgrades.ö? How long till we pay aurum for extra corp standing slots? For wardec options? For a usable corp management screen?
3. And who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldnÆt you rather have engine trials and flashy cyno effect for all players rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store for a fleeced few?
Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.
So hereÆs the thing.
The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didnÆt want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.
I donÆt want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really donÆt have much of a clue in business.
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Jade Constantine
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Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.23 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
I tend to agree on all counts (a scary notion for the pair of us, I know). The fact of the matter is that it's been just over a day since release of Incarna. I'll wait to see what gets fixed, rolled out, polished and repaired in the coming patches before I resort to throwing my toys around.
The newsletter was more of a shock to my system than the CQ/noble store fiasco has been in truth. And that was out there in ccp land for a while (allegedly) I desperately hoped it was faked but it is looking increasinly likely it was not and it sells a brand of clueless that I find frankly staggering. How somebody can rise to such a senior position in an online game without possessing any apparent understanding of the community the game was based on boggles my mind.
HereÆs the reality Verone û CCP stand to lose more revenue in lost multi-account users via the mandatory/ un-optimized CQ than they gain from forcing people to view the 3d environment vanity display case. If there was a quick fix in the works shouldn't we have heard about it ? Or does the fact that this issue was raised often and loudly during SISI testing but entirely ignored tell you that this aspect is not going to be fixed.
We need to raise a storm to get CCP to backtrack on the removal of the mandatory CQ view and get a disembark from hanger view option to restore the eve client to former multi client/medium performance rig capabiliy. This is not a argument for mutely saying "lets wait and see." The irony is its for their good AND ours. Forcibly dumping (showing the door) to large sections of multi client using player base is commercial nonsense.
And on the Noble Store.
If they had set the Aurum store at a sensible level they would have made considerably more money from day one. I myself had prepped a billion isk worth of plexes to buy my character clothes and chances are would have spent the money happily were it possible to buy a whole outfit for that price. But the outrageous greed ôthe gorden gecko effectö meant that I took one look at the monocle and skirts and said screw that û let it rot. And IÆm pretty damned sure IÆm not the only one feeling this way.
This is indicative of bad business decision-making on the part of developers who have now shown they have no real idea what they are doing. Unless we as a community make a noise and protest this then these bad decision-makers will drag the Eve we know and love to an early grave and it will be a great shame and tragedy for us all.
That leaked internal newsletter gives us insight into the rot that has taken hold in the minds here. Question to us is whether we sit down and take it or get up and do something about it. I'm not a player to talk idly about quitting this game and truthfully I don't intend to - but I'm damned if I'm going to sit down and let my hobby go quietly into the night because some marketing numpty got his back of a beermat sums wrong to such disastrous impact.
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Jade Constantine
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Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.23 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: EVIL SYNNs
Long, LONG time player, first time complainer.
First they said CQ would be a solo experience ... AND I SAID NOTHING
Then they said MT would be for vanity items only ... AND I SAID NOTHING
Then they make it hard for me to run my 4 accounts ... AND I SAID NOTHING
Now they are talking about MT for stuff in game, that effects me ... AND I CAN NO LONGER SAY NOTHING.
succinct.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2011.06.23 17:28:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/06/2011 17:28:44
Originally by: Abelard Nightbringer
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Quoting Jade Constantine's best post ever...
this is his best? Ill reword it for him
Please don't play silly games with reinterpreting the very simple argument I am making.
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1. Im too stupid to have cargo open when i dock, or double click the ship to open cargo from ships window. oh, and right clicking - activate ship is too hard on my brain
The argument is that this expansion has in effect taken away functionality that we've played with for years now. Needing to run multiple clients with CQ turned off means we get a dead wallpaper that cannot be interracted with and does not show the ship we are piloting. It is not a complicated argument.
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2. Speculation of Doom, wow, the world is ending, just not right now, maybe later
I am making reference to what purports to be a CCP newsletter that has not yet been disavowed by CCP. In that newsletter a lead producer of the game is speaking about introducing micropayments for gameplay boosts and advantages and strongly advocating FTP (free to play) style micropay conventions into a (pay to play) PTP subscription based game and that means he is looking for a way to charge us TWICE for content we have already paid for. You can mischaracterize my comments as doom-mongering by all means but do not claim I am not referencing a document in the public domain that has not yet been disavowed by CCP.
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3. Speculation of Doom, 6+ months from now, based on actions that have not happened yet. I am too stupid to comprehend how to use isk to buy things from the noble store even if they existed (WHICH THEY DONT YET), like in the LP store that for some reason i cant complain about right now. I am just too hard headed to understand that new things in the noble store are just as attainable to anyone else thru isk, therefore i think i am being held back.
I own a Titan in this game. I am not short of isk. But I do not like the way the Noble store messes with the sandbox in denying the player base of eve the chance to manufacture the things that will be for sale in the market. I think this is short-circuiting the industrial side of Eve even as "vanity items" but does represent a terrible slide into greedy money-grubbing microsanctioning that has no place whatsoever in a pay to play game.
If ccp want more money they should just put the subscription up and stop messing with the essential balance of the sandbox that keeps this game healthy and viable.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2011.06.23 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 23/06/2011 18:01:12
Originally by: Sakura Zendragon
IMHO, if they were in denial, we'd probably have gotten some lame devblog already about how they are just "throwing ideas around"
No no.... I mean in denial like a mother who just lost her child. Silent. Shocked. Unable to process thoughts.
Complete and total breakdown.
edit: JADE! give me a word for it :-)
You probably need three for a time like this.
wretched calamitous despair comes close :)
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